Whosoever is born of God CANNOT sin, because he is born of God (1 Jn.3:9, 1
Jn.5:18 below).
We who live by FAITH in Christ Jesus (Gal.3:26 below), are the offspring of
God (Acts.17:29 below).
1 Jn.3:9 Whosoever is born of God (Acts.17:29 below) doth not commit sin;
for his (God’s) seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is
born of God.
1 Jn.5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is
begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
Gal.3:26 For ye are all the children of God (Acts.17:29 above) by faith in
Christ Jesus.
Acts.17:29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God (Gal.3:26 below),
we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or
stone, graven by art and man's device.
Patricia (ndbpsa ©) Bible Prophecy on the Web
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The Bishops' spokesman, Martínez Camino, on Thursday this week - Photo EFE
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The statements coming from the Spanish Bishops this week are clearly hypocritical and clearly political
EDITORIAL COMMENT
On Friday the Catholic Bishops in Spain offered a statement on why exactly the presence of Bishop Juan María Uriate who acted as a mediator during the talks with ETA during the previous Partido Popular administration led by José María Aznar in 1998 was not a sin, and yet the contacts made with ETA by the current Socialist administration were sinful.
Basically the comment made by the Bishops’ spokesman, Juan Antonio Martínez Camino, was that in the first case only a meeting took place, and in the second there were negotiations.
One can understand how the Church knows what happened in the time of the Aznar government in 1998 as they were there taking an active role, but how do the Bishops know what happened in 2006?
The Catholic Church is in its rights to give moral guidance to its flock on how they should vote, but how can they seriously claim to be anyway Christian when they have now taken up such a blatantly hypocritical position on the terrorism issue. They should take a long hard look at their own moral behaviour before even considering advising how others should act on the matter.
Prime Minister José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero has repeatedly said that terrorism should not be a party political issue, there should be cross-party unity on the subject. A similar call has been made several times by King Juan Carlos, but it seems perfectly clear that the Catholic Church would prefer its flock vote for the Partido Popular, as you should never vote for a party which (now they say, a month before the election) has negotiated with terrorists. The fact that the P.P. did so in the past is no problem, as they promise not to do so again.
Clearer hypocrisy and political interference on the Church’s part would be hard to find.
Where were the Church’s moral concerns when the Partido Popular led Spain into the Iraq war against the wishes of 91% of the Spanish people? Silence when war is proposed and followed by the right wing, and moral outrage when peace is attempted by the left wing. How is war more compatible with faith exactly? It’s not what I read in my bible.
It begs the question on what, or should that be whose, authority are the Spanish Bishops acting? After all, the Pope himself asked people to pray for the success of the peace process in 2006. I wonder if his Holiness blessed the political ‘note’ issued by Bishops against such a process last Thursday. No record that he has, although of course the Pope is in full agreement with other attacks made on gay marriage and abortion.
In Spain today one cannot also fail to notice the unchristian attitude of the Church-owned COPE radio station, illustrated for example by their campaign and allegations of active euthanasia leading to the deaths of 400 patients at the Severo Ochoa Hospital in Leganés. The doctors concerned have now been found completely innocent of any crime or any medical malpractice, and yet from all the commentators on COPE who carried out months and months of abuse, calling these poor professionals ‘Nazis’, and ‘exterminators’, now there is not a single word of apology. No word of apology to any of the families either.
How can the Church morally continue to fund such a media operation?
Esperanza Aguirre did herself no favours either by saying the fact that medical malpractice was not proven in the case, did not mean it did not take place. By such a comment it is clear that the Regional President of Madrid no longer believes in the principal of innocent until proven guilty. It’s all turning into a moral wasteland.
María Teresa Fernández de la Vega, speaking to the press on Friday - Photo EFE
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Deputy Prime Minister, María Teresa Fernández de la Vega, called for the Spanish Bishops to respect the separation between State and the Church on Friday afternoon, as outlined in the Spanish Constitution, but recent events show that the call has not been and clearly will not be heeded.
What happened to basic Christian decency and moral standards on the right wing? They surely should not be incompatible, but that is exactly what they appear to be in Spain currently.
Tax payers are crossing out their state contribution to the Church in ever increasing numbers on their IRPF forms. On March 9 we will see just how the Church’s partners in the Partido Popular will fare in the General Election when the voters choose their ballot papers.
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Comments
Patricia Burns
02 Feb 2008, 17:36
02 Feb 2008, 17:36
bob
03 Feb 2008, 01:11
03 Feb 2008, 01:11
Gotta love the socialist compunction to eradicate the church and its
influence. You dont fool anyone H.B. I am not particularly religious but
your Stalinistic stance in regards to the church shows that you and your
PSOE have been and always will be in the vanguard of moral bankruptcy. Your
definition of separation of church and state must include that the church
cannot be part of the state. How convenient. You like the church being the
socialist whipping boy.
Also, I find it interesting that you point out that Spain entered the Iraq war with a 91% disapproval rating, yet you legalize gay marriage and abortion at what approval percentage? Im sure your tell us that those issues enjoy overwhelming support.
In addition, Spain will never have the juevos to defend itself in the future because of the pacification of the country in advance of your future attempts at socialistic totalitarianism through the PSOE. Take bullfighting off of the television and dress your boys in skirts already.
Also, I find it interesting that you point out that Spain entered the Iraq war with a 91% disapproval rating, yet you legalize gay marriage and abortion at what approval percentage? Im sure your tell us that those issues enjoy overwhelming support.
In addition, Spain will never have the juevos to defend itself in the future because of the pacification of the country in advance of your future attempts at socialistic totalitarianism through the PSOE. Take bullfighting off of the television and dress your boys in skirts already.
Patricia Burns
03 Feb 2008, 01:22
03 Feb 2008, 01:22
What is a "socialist compunction"? What is a "socialist"?
What part of the KJV Scriptures of 1 Jn.3:9, 1 Jn.5:18, Gal.3:26, Acts 17:29 which states the view presented is a Satanistic stance? Are you saying the Holy Bible is Satanic?
What part of the KJV Scriptures of 1 Jn.3:9, 1 Jn.5:18, Gal.3:26, Acts 17:29 which states the view presented is a Satanistic stance? Are you saying the Holy Bible is Satanic?
Patricia Burns
03 Feb 2008, 01:26
03 Feb 2008, 01:26
Chosen BEFORE the Foundation of the World and Drawn by God the Father -
ANY man in Christ is a “new” man (Eph.4:24 below); he is a “new creature” (2 Cor.5:17, Gal.6:15 below). The “new creature” he becomes IS the church of God (1 Cor.10:32, 1 Cor.1:2, 1 Cor.15:9, Gal.1:13 below). The church of God are neither Jew nor Greek; WE ARE ALL ONE (Gal.3:28, Eph.2:16, 1 Cor.12:27 below).
The church of God were CHOSEN by Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love (Eph.1:4 below).
God the Father draws us to His Son (Jn.6:44 below).
Eph.4:24 And that ye put on the new man (2 Cor.5:17, Gal.6:15, Rom.6:4 below), which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
2 Cor.5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature (Gal.6:15 below): old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (Rom.6:4 above).
Gal.6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature (2 Cor.5:17 above).
1 Cor.10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God (1 Cor.15:9, Gal.13 below):
1 Cor.1:2 Unto the church of God (1 Cor.10:32 above, 1 Cor.15:9, Gal.1:13 below) which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
1 Cor.15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God (1 Cor.10:32, 1 Cor.1:2 above, Gal.1:13 below).
Gal.1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God (1 Cor.10:32, 1 Cor.1:2, 1 Cor.15:9 above), and wasted it:
Gal.3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one (Eph.2:16 below) in Christ Jesus.
Eph.2:16 And that he might reconcile BOTH (Jews and Gentiles) unto God in ONE BODY (the church of God - 1 Cor.10:32 above) by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby (1 Cor.12:27 below):
1 Cor.12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular (Eph.2:16 above).
Eph.1:4 According as he (Christ) hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world (Rom.8:29 below), that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Jn.6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
Patricia (ndbpsa ©)
ANY man in Christ is a “new” man (Eph.4:24 below); he is a “new creature” (2 Cor.5:17, Gal.6:15 below). The “new creature” he becomes IS the church of God (1 Cor.10:32, 1 Cor.1:2, 1 Cor.15:9, Gal.1:13 below). The church of God are neither Jew nor Greek; WE ARE ALL ONE (Gal.3:28, Eph.2:16, 1 Cor.12:27 below).
The church of God were CHOSEN by Christ BEFORE the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love (Eph.1:4 below).
God the Father draws us to His Son (Jn.6:44 below).
Eph.4:24 And that ye put on the new man (2 Cor.5:17, Gal.6:15, Rom.6:4 below), which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
2 Cor.5:17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature (Gal.6:15 below): old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new (Rom.6:4 above).
Gal.6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature (2 Cor.5:17 above).
1 Cor.10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God (1 Cor.15:9, Gal.13 below):
1 Cor.1:2 Unto the church of God (1 Cor.10:32 above, 1 Cor.15:9, Gal.1:13 below) which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
1 Cor.15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God (1 Cor.10:32, 1 Cor.1:2 above, Gal.1:13 below).
Gal.1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God (1 Cor.10:32, 1 Cor.1:2, 1 Cor.15:9 above), and wasted it:
Gal.3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one (Eph.2:16 below) in Christ Jesus.
Eph.2:16 And that he might reconcile BOTH (Jews and Gentiles) unto God in ONE BODY (the church of God - 1 Cor.10:32 above) by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby (1 Cor.12:27 below):
1 Cor.12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular (Eph.2:16 above).
Eph.1:4 According as he (Christ) hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world (Rom.8:29 below), that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Jn.6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
Patricia (ndbpsa ©)
bob
03 Feb 2008, 03:10
03 Feb 2008, 03:10
That was in regard to the editorial, not your biblical rants.
Patricia Burns
03 Feb 2008, 03:49
03 Feb 2008, 03:49
Is that what you call the truth of the
Scriptures, "biblical rants"?
Ps.119.160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
Scriptures, "biblical rants"?
Ps.119.160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.
John
04 Feb 2008, 09:46
04 Feb 2008, 09:46
To answer your question - 70% support for Gay Marriage - source today's ABC
(right wing paper in Spain)
bob
04 Feb 2008, 15:45
04 Feb 2008, 15:45
Im sure thats an accurate poll.
John
04 Feb 2008, 15:52
04 Feb 2008, 15:52
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/02/03/europe/EU-FEA-GEN-Spain-Digesting
-Change.php
Henry Richards
06 Feb 2008, 02:28
06 Feb 2008, 02:28
The Spanish Catholic Bishops claimes that “God approves our actions’ to
justify their current argument with the government. Jesus Christ and Cannon
Law says “render unto Caesar that that which is Caesar’s and render
unto God that which is God’s”. The bishops are acting outside of Canon
Law and therefore have no authority.
The church used the “God approves our actions’ augment to justify the Inquisition. Spain still suffers from a worldwide commendation for the Inquisition. Admittedly the Inquisition took place in other countries but the world decided to dump on Spain just as it has on Bush.
The church used the “God approves our actions’ augment to justify massive genocide against the American Indians.
The church used the “God approves our actions’ augment to justify Spain’s domination of the Salve trade until they lost it as a spoil of wars to England.
Centuries of Spain’s internal wars was justified by the same argument by all side at the same time. Admittedly the same argument was use in other countries but they quit using that destructive justification a century ago proving that the Church is behind times is Spain.
The Bishops of Spain have not yet learned that the church no longer owns the government and people.
The church used the “God approves our actions’ augment to justify the Inquisition. Spain still suffers from a worldwide commendation for the Inquisition. Admittedly the Inquisition took place in other countries but the world decided to dump on Spain just as it has on Bush.
The church used the “God approves our actions’ augment to justify massive genocide against the American Indians.
The church used the “God approves our actions’ augment to justify Spain’s domination of the Salve trade until they lost it as a spoil of wars to England.
Centuries of Spain’s internal wars was justified by the same argument by all side at the same time. Admittedly the same argument was use in other countries but they quit using that destructive justification a century ago proving that the Church is behind times is Spain.
The Bishops of Spain have not yet learned that the church no longer owns the government and people.
Ricardo Escobar Álvaro
06 Feb 2008, 13:33
06 Feb 2008, 13:33
So I guess, the bishops have only one thing to do: to shut up! do not
disturb our democratic paradise!
I'm not even going to go into the stupid clichés that a T.V. education provides, just to mention that the islamic council of Spain (or something like that) has called for muslims with voting rights in Spain to vote for the socialist party and nobody has cried scandal.
The bishops may not own the government or the people, but they have the right to say whatever they want and call to vote for whomever they like, just like everyone else. Trade unions, political parties and NGO's whose membership is ridiculous and who are financed through the state's budget have the right to say whatever they want, but not the Catholic Church. Right.
Nevertheless, it is fair to ask why the Bishop's Conference was so silent when the PP was in government, or why did the Holy See award a decoration to the record-breaking abortionist Aznar. What did the PP do for the families? What did the PP do for life? Nothing. It is good that the bishops finally speak up, but it would have been better if they had spoken equally clearly during the last thirty years, Spain wouldn't be in such pityful state. If one follows the directives of the bishop's conference, one can't vote for the PP either.
I'm not even going to go into the stupid clichés that a T.V. education provides, just to mention that the islamic council of Spain (or something like that) has called for muslims with voting rights in Spain to vote for the socialist party and nobody has cried scandal.
The bishops may not own the government or the people, but they have the right to say whatever they want and call to vote for whomever they like, just like everyone else. Trade unions, political parties and NGO's whose membership is ridiculous and who are financed through the state's budget have the right to say whatever they want, but not the Catholic Church. Right.
Nevertheless, it is fair to ask why the Bishop's Conference was so silent when the PP was in government, or why did the Holy See award a decoration to the record-breaking abortionist Aznar. What did the PP do for the families? What did the PP do for life? Nothing. It is good that the bishops finally speak up, but it would have been better if they had spoken equally clearly during the last thirty years, Spain wouldn't be in such pityful state. If one follows the directives of the bishop's conference, one can't vote for the PP either.
Roberto
07 Feb 2008, 16:50
07 Feb 2008, 16:50
Patricia Burns: A socialist is someone who doesn't believe in biblical
fairy tales!
How do the bishops know that god approves of their actions? Has he contacted them by email? I demand to see their evidence!
How do the bishops know that god approves of their actions? Has he contacted them by email? I demand to see their evidence!
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